quaife gearbox
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pesh90
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Got a quaife box in mine, not that much differnet to drive just whine's when driving as gears are straight cutmad max said:
..Well mine does anyway ..well it did ...Can't rememeber the exact cost but i think it was around £2.5k not cheap though ...With the clutch do a search as some are using helix and the other RPS so the choice is yours would say though the power your expecting to run the clutch will feel a lot harder and bit of a pain in traffic
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Odin
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I'v got a quaife as well and there no different to drive with than the standard box, They do whine like an old mini though 8) :lol: .
Cost wise your looking at over 3k to do the job properly :shock: it soon adds up once you'ev paid to get it removed then stripped and machined to take the quaife gear set, Then you add up all the new nissan bearings and syncro cost :shock: plus a new clutch and refitting .
Also don't forget even with a quaife fitted you will still need to get it rebuilt every 30-40k with hard use ie drag/track days, mine lasted 36k before I had to pay £600 to get it and my transfer box rebuilt and that was with me takeing it out and refitting.
rob
Cost wise your looking at over 3k to do the job properly :shock: it soon adds up once you'ev paid to get it removed then stripped and machined to take the quaife gear set, Then you add up all the new nissan bearings and syncro cost :shock: plus a new clutch and refitting
.Also don't forget even with a quaife fitted you will still need to get it rebuilt every 30-40k with hard use ie drag/track days, mine lasted 36k before I had to pay £600 to get it and my transfer box rebuilt and that was with me takeing it out and refitting.
rob
Dooie Pop Pop
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what area you in mate? we have a memeber on here that' ll build you a quaiffe for a damn sight less than what a tuner' d charge you.
pm me mad max
pm me mad max
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Odin
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Dooie the standard caseing needs machineing by someone that knows what there doing :roll: , Bernie doesn't charge that much for the machineing and build of the box, It's only something like £120 to build it up. Most of the cost I quoted is for parts.Dooie Pop Pop said:what area you in mate? we have a memeber on here that' ll build you a quaiffe for a damn sight less than what a tuner' d charge you.
pm me mad max
Gearbox's need building buy someone that knows what there doing not someone that maybe fixes the odd standard box here and there.
I for one after spending nearly £3000 on parts would like to know that it was built by an expert that builds gearboxs all day long, But thats just my opinion of cause
.Dooie it's not a job you try and do on the cheap :roll: .
rob
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Dooie Pop Pop
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no its not, i never said it was
but after hearing about your JTuner 'letter' im surprised you said that :? i dont doubt Bernie does a top job :? i have no idea what area he works from but frankly it doesn' t matter does it? or does this mean that im not allowed to offer advice based on MY personal 1st hand experience with the quaiffe, seeing as i do have some, which is more than most or doesn' t that count? :? id rather have five opinions than one mate :!:
as you said most of the costs are in the PARTS :roll: £120 labour
exactly how many people in the UK do you think there are that can machine a box or rebuild one for that matter? 3? :lol:
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Stu
but after hearing about your JTuner 'letter' im surprised you said that :?
i dont doubt Bernie does a top job :? i have no idea what area he works from but frankly it doesn' t matter does it? or does this mean that im not allowed to offer advice based on MY personal 1st hand experience with the quaiffe, seeing as i do have some, which is more than most or doesn' t that count? :? id rather have five opinions than one mate :!: as you said most of the costs are in the PARTS :roll: £120 labour
exactly how many people in the UK do you think there are that can machine a box or rebuild one for that matter? 3? :lol:
FINALLY something i agree with :roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol:Stu
Got mine built by an "expert" (Rebuilding gearboxes/diffs is his entire business") for £2200 including ALL parts
He passed on his Quaiffe traders discount to me 8)
He rebuilt the box 3 times and charged for one. First was because Quaiffe never sent the machining modifictations, 2nd time was because he wasn't happy with the Quaiffe machining specification so got it redone to his own. Final time, everybody happy.
Would thoroughly recommend to anyone in the NW. Only downside is you might have to wait a week or three as he's always busy.
Jim
He passed on his Quaiffe traders discount to me 8)
He rebuilt the box 3 times and charged for one. First was because Quaiffe never sent the machining modifictations, 2nd time was because he wasn't happy with the Quaiffe machining specification so got it redone to his own. Final time, everybody happy.
Would thoroughly recommend to anyone in the NW. Only downside is you might have to wait a week or three as he's always busy.
Jim
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Odin
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Dooie Pop Pop said:
Bernie isn't a tuner :? :roll: , He's a gearbox specialist
.I would never let any tuner near a gearbox of mine apart from maybe Ian at hitec as he's built quite a few and knows his apples 8)
.Most tuners would just send it to a gearbox specialist anyway :roll: ,And just add there cut to the bill :evil: .
I also don't like the sound of someone that takes 3 times to get it right :shock: :shock: :roll: , Did you have to keep takeing the box in and out while they kept trying to get it right?.
If you'ed sent it to bernie or Ian it would of been right first time and not 3rd
8) .By the way bernie's place is off junction 11 of the M1
.rob
Dooie Pop Pop
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never said he was. stop putting words in my mouth :roll:vpulsar said:Bernie isn't a tuner :? :roll: , He's a gearbox specialist
rob
:| people make mistakes Rob (not saying Jims was either) thats a fact of lifevpulsar said:If you'ed sent it to bernie or Ian it would of been right first time and not 3rd
rob
Stu
The only people who made a mistake was Quaife. Peter has been building transmissions for over 20 years and does a lot of work with motorsport transmissions but this was the first Quaife box he'd put in a GtiR. He knew the Nissan transmission very well from previous experience.
The first time he built the transmission, I think he found it wouldn't select reverse (?) so rang Quaife who asked why he hadn't done the machining to the transmission. He asked what machining, they said the one specified that came with the kit, that will be the one they forgot to pack with the kit then :evil: . They hastily faxed some machining details over that Pete had done at a machine shop and then rebuilt the transmission. After the 2nd rebuild he still wasn't happy with the selection so took it apart, measured what needed to be done and sent it back to the machine shop. Rebuilt it the 3rd time and sent it on to me which it the first time I saw it.
The point I was trying to make is the guy is a perfectionist, did the job 3 times as Quaife couldn't do theirs, replaced all the bearings and seals and was the same price as I could buy the quaife parts from a "tuner". 8)
The first time he built the transmission, I think he found it wouldn't select reverse (?) so rang Quaife who asked why he hadn't done the machining to the transmission. He asked what machining, they said the one specified that came with the kit, that will be the one they forgot to pack with the kit then :evil: . They hastily faxed some machining details over that Pete had done at a machine shop and then rebuilt the transmission. After the 2nd rebuild he still wasn't happy with the selection so took it apart, measured what needed to be done and sent it back to the machine shop. Rebuilt it the 3rd time and sent it on to me which it the first time I saw it.
The point I was trying to make is the guy is a perfectionist, did the job 3 times as Quaife couldn't do theirs, replaced all the bearings and seals and was the same price as I could buy the quaife parts from a "tuner". 8)
Dooie Pop Pop
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did he change the selector forks? i think robs price is for 'everything'
stu
stu
I specifically asked about them, He said I could if I wanted but there were no signs of wear or fatigue.
I aslo asked about the 3rd gear selector fork that was forever snapping on peoples cars a few years ago. Again, he said I could if I wanted but the 3rd gear selector fork in his opinon didn't look especially "weak". He put it down to abuse that would snap it.
If Rob went for uprated selector forks thats fine. I went for uprated con-rods on the rebuild that nowadays a lot of people don't bother with. You pays your money you takes your chance.
I aslo asked about the 3rd gear selector fork that was forever snapping on peoples cars a few years ago. Again, he said I could if I wanted but the 3rd gear selector fork in his opinon didn't look especially "weak". He put it down to abuse that would snap it.
If Rob went for uprated selector forks thats fine. I went for uprated con-rods on the rebuild that nowadays a lot of people don't bother with. You pays your money you takes your chance.
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Odin
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The price I quoted includes removeing and refiiting of the engine and box, plus a new clutch.
I think mine only cost about £2500 as the old owner knew quaife quite well and got a good deal on parts plus quaife themselfs fitted the kit to the box 8) .
I had a one of Ivan's uprated 3rd gear selector forks fitted when I had my box rebuilt last year alone with the new version 4 3rd gear that quaife supplied me free of charge :shock: 8) .
Jim I wasn't dissing your man , I was just saying bernie and Ian have done loads of these now so it would of made more sense to of got one of them to build your box as they already knew everything needed to do the job properly .
Now your man has done one he seems like a good option in your area 8) , I just don't like people learning there trade on my stuff .
rob
I think mine only cost about £2500 as the old owner knew quaife quite well and got a good deal on parts plus quaife themselfs fitted the kit to the box 8) .
I had a one of Ivan's uprated 3rd gear selector forks fitted when I had my box rebuilt last year alone with the new version 4 3rd gear that quaife supplied me free of charge :shock: 8) .
Jim I wasn't dissing your man
, I was just saying bernie and Ian have done loads of these now so it would of made more sense to of got one of them to build your box as they already knew everything needed to do the job properly .Now your man has done one he seems like a good option in your area 8) , I just don't like people learning there trade on my stuff
.rob
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Odin
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No in my opinion the nismo box is no better than the quaife, One of are members had a nismo box and broke it with only 400bhp :? , Not a lot for the 4/5k price if you ask me :roll: . Also seeing as quaife are UK based you can get better/quicker customer support 8)marcymarc said:
.And yes the quiafe gearset does whine like an old mini :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
But I quite like that myself, At least you can hear what you'ev spent your money on 8)
.rob
Rishi
Still waiting on some shims!
vpulsar said:No in my opinion the nismo box is no better than the quaife, One of are members had a nismo box and broke it with only 400bhp :? , Not a lot for the 4/5k price if you ask me :roll: . Also seeing as quaife are UK based you can get better/quicker customer support 8)marcymarc said:
And yes the quiafe gearset does whine like an old mini :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
But I quite like that myself, At least you can hear what you'ev spent your money on 8)
rob
The whine comes from the straighter cut gears...
Just for info the Nismo was actually rated at 550bhp aswell...
Rishi
Never any offence taken 8) Was just trying to clear up the confusion.vpulsar said:Jim I wasn't dissing your man
He's doing JonesGtir box as we speak. We only found out we'd both been recommeded him through different sources after the fact. He's affectionatley known as Pete Gearboxman. I don't think people know his surname :lol:
Regarding price and professionalism, I'm on the same page as you, didn't think it was a competion over price if it came across like that
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Odin
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Was just trying to make sure that anybody reading the thread would fully understand the real costs involved in going for a quaife gearsetcampbellju said:Regarding price and professionalism, I'm on the same page as you, didn't think it was a competion over price if it came across like that
, I think a lot of them just look at the £1600 gearset cost and think thats not to bad lol.but inless you can get a good discount like you did and take out and refit the engine yourself it can end up a very costly exercise indeed
, Your proberly talking nearly 4k if you go for an OS clutch and pay for someone to remove and refit everything :shock: .rob
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00sid
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right first things first, yes it isnt cheap to fit the quaife kit as you need to replace the all 4 bearings even if they are new becauce you need to pull them off the sharfs which puts them under stress. the bearings will cost around the £200 mark for a set becauce they are one off sizes which you can only get from nissan.
vpulsar wrote;
the quaife syncro kit isnt straight cut its still helical the teeth are just bigger so there is more contact when the gears are meshed so more noise.
people only break selector forks for two reasons, 1, the syncros are worn and 2 they are changing gear wrong....!
also while im at it, SOLID MOUNTS DO NOT CAUSE THE BOX CASE TO BREAK.. its the shite box design. when you use a heavy clutch the suden loading on the helical gears wants to push the gear clusters apart and as the box has a weak end caseing and only 4 bearings, it pushs the case apart. having standard mounts makes no differants what so ever.
vpulsar wrote;
and no the casing does not need machining its the standard reverse gears that need machining becauce the quaife input shalf is bigger so the gears need more clearance.
the quaife syncro kit isnt straight cut its still helical the teeth are just bigger so there is more contact when the gears are meshed so more noise.
people only break selector forks for two reasons, 1, the syncros are worn and 2 they are changing gear wrong....!
also while im at it, SOLID MOUNTS DO NOT CAUSE THE BOX CASE TO BREAK.. its the shite box design. when you use a heavy clutch the suden loading on the helical gears wants to push the gear clusters apart and as the box has a weak end caseing and only 4 bearings, it pushs the case apart. having standard mounts makes no differants what so ever.