What would cause low oil pressure?

paz

Active Member
My oil levels are correct, just slightly concerned that the oil pressure seems to be lower than when I first purchased the car.

Any ideas what would cause this, or what I should be looking for. The levels are not dangerous but I want to look into this before they may be.

Cheers

Paz
 

Fast Guy

Moderators
Staff member
It could be a faulty gauge or sender. If the actual pressure is low, it could be a worn pump, worn bearings (you'd normally hear knocking), knackered turbo bearing(smoke), too thin an oil, crap old oil that needs changing, oil leak somewhere.
 

Shaun

New Member
Fast Guy said:
It could be a faulty gauge or sender.
I had a similar problem with mine mate,only happened every now and then,as you say,not dangerous levels,but still un-nerving :!: So changed the sender and the gauge to make sure :D Everything is now fine :D
 

paz

Active Member
Shaun said:
Fast Guy said:
It could be a faulty gauge or sender.
I had a similar problem with mine mate,only happened every now and then,as you say,not dangerous levels,but still un-nerving :!: So changed the sender and the gauge to make sure :D Everything is now fine :D
Ah right, whats the cost involved to do that then mate?

paz
 

Shaun

New Member
:D If you want to go the way i did then £500 :shock: But if you want to keep your stock gauges,then £70 for the oil pressure sender from Nissan :D The sender is easy to change,it's located above the oil filter,just unplug it and undo it with a spanner and twist it all the way out :D
 

paz

Active Member
:shock: I'm guessing you changed the standard guages for something else?

Its really quite annoying, everything was fine this morning!

paz
 

Shaun

New Member
:D Yes mate,got rid of the standard ones as they are cac :lol: and replaced them with SPA Digital ones :D Like you say mate,its annoying,1 min its ok,then when you least expect it,it goes wonkey again :wink:
 

oilman

Member
On the oil side, low oil pressure normally indicates that the oil is simply too thin or has "sheared down" from its original viscosity through use.

The thicker the oil the better the oil pressure but beware, this is measured as resistance not flow and it's flow that's important!

Basically a cheap or molecularly converted (hydrocracked oil) will not stand up as well to temperatures as it is not as thermally stable as a good "real" synthetic oil.

Here is something on VI Improvers.

VISCOSITY INDEX IMPROVERS

As a lubricant basestock is subjected to increasing temperatures it tends to lose its viscosity. In other words, it thins out. This leads to decreased engine protection and a higher likelihood of metal to metal contact. Therefore, if this viscosity loss can be minimized, the probability of unnecessary engine wear will be reduced.

This is where viscosity index (VI) improvers come in.

VI improvers are polymers that expand and contract with changes in temperature. At low temperatures they are very compact and affect the viscosity of a lubricant very little. But, at high temperatures these polymers "expand" into much larger long-chain polymers which significantly increase the viscosity of their host lubricant.

So, as the basestock loses viscosity with increases in temperature, VI improvers “fight back” against the viscosity drop by increasing their size. The higher the molecular weight of the polymers used, the better the power of "thickening" within the lubricant. Unfortunately, an increase in molecular weight also leads to an inherent instability of the polymers themselves. They become much more prone to shearing within an engine.

As these polymers are sheared back to lower molecular weight molecules, their effectiveness as a VI improver decreases. Unfortunately, because petroleum basestocks are so prone to viscosity loss at high temperatures, high molecular weight polymers must be used. Since these polymers are more prone to shearing than lower molecular weight polymers, petroleum oils tend to shear back very quickly. In other words, they lose
their ability to maintain their viscosity at high temperatures.

Synthetic basestocks, on the other hand, are much less prone to viscosity loss at high temperatures. Therefore, lower molecular weight polymers may be used as VI improvers.

These polymers are less prone to shearing, so they are effective for a much longer period of time than the VI improvers used in petroleum oils. In other words, synthetic oils do not quickly lose their ability to maintain viscosity at high temperatures as petroleum oils do.

In fact, some synthetic basestocks are so stable at high temperatures they need NO VI improvers at all. Obviously, these basestocks will maintain their high temperature viscosities for a very long time since there are no VI improvers to break down.

It is also worth noting that, oils have a "shelf life" and if an oil has been standing for a period anywhere between 3-5 years, the VI Improvers can drop out, effectively falling to the bottom of the can. This means that the oil you are using is just a thin basestock which will have no resistance as it's too thin.

Cheers
Simon
 

geetee

Active Member
jeheesooos - oilman r u on an education mission? :lol: :lol:

That must be about your 3rd 1500 word assignment on the forum :lol:

Good effort...the only thing we have to go on is the tripe you see on TV ads and (luckily) people's real world experience on the forums. Which needless to say - aren;t exactly the same.

Cheers
GeeTee 8)
 

geetee

Active Member
In summary - don't leave ur can of oil on the shelf for too long - unless ur sure it's fully synthetic.

And - you can afford proper fully synthetic oil as opposed to hydrocracked oils cos you don't need to change it so often as the chains of Rice Crispies hold hands for longer...

Seems stright forward enough... but that's only considering the nature of the oil in a test environment.

What about the factors of the longer the oil is in the car - the more metal and carbon deposits it accumulates (the same regardless of the oil type). And the type of driving.. lots of cold start short trips with moisture being deposited in the oil?

Surely when you start to consider these options it becomes 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Get a quality hydro-cracked oil and change it frequently before the Rice Crispies let go of each other and flush out the crap with it. Or get a fully syn oil - change it less often - but have more crap floating about with it.

The end result is probably the same in terms of engine wear and cost - no?

I don't actually know.... I'm just hypothesising.

Cheers
GeeTee 8)
 

oilman

Member
Geetee.

Nice reply and I like the rice crispies analogy!

Actually you're about spot on but how about the benefits of true synthetics? I feel another long post coming on........help!

Here are some of the main benefits of true synthetics:

Stable Basestocks

Synthetic oils are designed from pure, uniform synthetic basestocks, they contain no contaminants or unstable molecules which are prone to thermal and oxidative break down. Moreover, because of their uniform molecular structure, synthetic lubricants operate with less internal and external friction than petroleum oils which have the non-uniform molecular structure. The result is better heat control, and less heat means less stress to the lubricant.

Higher Percentage of Basestock

Synthetic oils contain a higher percentage of lubricant basestock than petroleum oils do. This is because multi-viscosity oils need a great deal of pour point depressant and viscosity modifying additives in order to be sold as multi-viscosity oils. Synthetic oils, require very little in the way of pour point depressants and viscosity modifiers. Therefore, synthetic oils can contain a higher percentage of basestock, which actually does most of the lubricating anyway. More basestock leads to longer motor oil life.

Additives Used Up More Slowly

Petroleum basestocks are much more prone to oxidation than synthetic oils, oxidation inhibitors are needed in greater supply and are used up very quickly. Synthetic oils do oxidize, but at a much slower rate therefore, oxidation inhibiting additives are used up much more slowly.
Synthetic oils provide for better ring seal than petroleum oils do. This minimizes blow-by and reduces contamination by combustion by-products. As a result, corrosion inhibiting additives have less work to do and will last much longer than within a petroleum oil.

Excellent Heat Tolerance

Synthetics are simply more tolerant to extreme heat than petroleum oils are. When heat builds up within an engine, petroleum oils quickly begin to burn off. They volatize. In other words, the lighter molecules within petroleum oils turn to gas and what's left are the large petroleum oil molecules that are harder to pump. Synthetics are resistant to this burn-off. They will tolerate much higher engine temperatures.

Heat Reduction

More often than not, vehicle life is determined by engine life. One of the major factors affecting engine life is component wear and/or failure, which is often the result of high temperature operation. The uniformly smooth molecular structure of synthetic oils gives them a much lower coefficient of friction (they slip more easily over one another causing less friction) than petroleum oils. Less friction, of course, means less heat in the system. And, since heat is a major contributor to engine component wear and failure, synthetic oils significantly reduce these two detrimental effects. In addition, because of their uniform molecular structure, synthetic oils do not cause the "blanket effect" which was mentioned earlier. Since each molecule in a synthetic oil is of uniform size, each is equally likely to touch a component surface at any given time, thus moving a certain amount of heat into the oil stream and away from the component. This makes synthetic oils far superior heat transfer agents than conventional petroleum oils.

Greater Film Strength

Petroleum motor oils have very low film strength in comparison to synthetics. The film strength of a lubricant refers to it's ability to maintain a film of lubricant between two objects when extreme pressure and heat are applied. Synthetic oils will typically have a film strength of 500% to 1000% higher than petroleum oils of comparable viscosity. In fact, believe it or not, even though heavier weight oils typically have higher film strength than lighter weight oils, a 0w30 or 5w-40 weight synthetic oil will likely have higher film strength than a 15w40 or 20w50 petroleum oil.
Thus, even with a lighter weight oil, you can still maintain proper lubricity and reduce the chance of metal to metal contact when using a synthetic oil. Of course, that means that you can use oils that provide far better fuel efficiency and cold weather protection without sacrificing engine protection under high temperature, high load conditions. Obviously, this is a big plus, because you can greatly reduce both cold temperature start-up wear and high temperature/high load engine wear using the same low viscosity oil.

Engine Deposit Reduction

In discussing some of the pitfalls of petroleum oil use, engine cleanliness is certainly an issue. Petroleum oils tend to leave sludge, varnish and deposits behind after thermal and oxidative break down. They're better than they used to be, but it still occurs. Deposit build-up leads to a significant reduction in engine performance and engine life as well as increasing the number of costly repairs that are necessary. Since synthetic oils have far superior thermal and oxidative stability than petroleum oils, they leave engines virtually varnish, deposit and sludge-free.

Better Cold Temperature Fluidity

Synthetic oils and other lubricants do not contain paraffins or other waxes which dramatically thicken petroleum oils during cold weather. As a result, they tend to flow much better during cold temperature starts and begin lubricating an engine almost immediately. This leads to significant engine wear reduction, and, therefore, longer engine life and fewer costly repairs.

IMPROVED FUEL MILEAGE AND PERFORMANCE

As indicated earlier, synthetic oils, because of their uniform molecular structure, are tremendous friction reducers. Less friction leads to increased fuel economy and improved engine performance.
Any energy released from the combustion process that would normally be lost to friction can now be transferred directly to the wheels, providing movement. Vehicle acceleration becomes swifter and more powerful while using less fuel in the process. The uniform molecular structure of synthetic oils has another performance enhancing benefit as well. In a petroleum oil, lighter molecules tend to boil off easily, leaving behind much heavier molecules which are difficult to pump. Certainly, the engine loses more energy pumping these heavy molecules than if it were pumping lighter ones. Since synthetic oils have more uniform molecules, fewer of these molecules tend to boil off. More importantly, when they do, the molecules which are left are of the same size and pumpability is not affected.

At least this explains things in detail!

Cheers
Simon
 
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