Synthetic oils - Shear Stablility

oilman

Member
When considering the "best" oils for your car, ensure you understand why "true" synthetics give the best protection. Hopefully this will help.

SAE has a test called HT/HS (High Temperature/High Shear) ASTM D4683 at 150 degC.

The higher the HT/HS number the better because this indicates less shearing. Petroleum oils tend to have low HT/HS numbers which barely meet the standards set by SAE. Because petroleum oils are made with light weight basestocks to begin with, they tend to burn off easily in high temperature conditions which causes deposit formation and oil consumption.

As a result of excessive oil burning and susceptibility to shearing (as well as other factors) petroleum oils must be changed more frequently than synthetics.

Not all multi-viscosity oils shear back so easily. True synthetic oils (PAO’s and Esters) contain basically no waxy contamination to cause crystallization and oil thickening at cold temperatures. In addition, synthetic basestocks do not thin out very much as temperatures increase. So, pour point depressants are unnecessary and higher viscosity basestock fluids can be used which will still meet the "W" requirements for pumpability.

Hence, little or no VI improver additive would need to be used to meet the sae 30, 40 or 50 classification while still meeting 0W or 5W requirements.

The end result is that very little shearing occurs within true synthetic oils because they are not "propped up" with viscosity index improvers. There simply is no place to shear back to. In fact, this is easy to prove by just comparing synthetic and petroleum oils of the same grade.

Synthetics will generally have significantly higher HT/HS numbers. Of course, the obvious result is that your oil remains "in grade" for a much longer period of time for better engine protection and longer oil life.

What is VI Improver?

As a lubricant basestock is subjected to increasing temperatures it tends to lose its viscosity. In other words, it thins out. This leads to decreased engine protection and a higher likelihood of metal to metal contact. Therefore, if this viscosity loss can be minimized, the probability of unnecessary engine wear will be reduced.

VI improvers are polymers that expand and contract with changes in temperature. At low temperatures they are very compact and affect the viscosity of a lubricant very little. But, at high temperatures these polymers "expand" into much larger long-chain polymers which significantly increase the viscosity of their host lubricant.

So, as the basestock loses viscosity with increases in temperature, VI improvers “fight back”
against the viscosity drop by increasing their size. The higher the molecular weight of the polymers used, the better the power of "thickening" within the lubricant. Unfortunately, an increase in molecular weight also leads to an inherent instability of the polymers themselves. They become much more prone to shearing within an engine.

As these polymers are sheared back to lower molecular weight molecules, their effectiveness as a VI improver decreases. Unfortunately, because petroleum basestocks are so prone to viscosity loss at high temperatures, high molecular weight polymers must be used. Since these polymers are more prone to shearing than lower molecular weight polymers, petroleum oils tend to shear back very quickly. In other words, they lose
their ability to maintain their viscosity at high temperatures.

Synthetic basestocks, on the other hand, are much less prone to viscosity loss at high temperatures. Therefore, lower molecular weight polymers may be used as VI improvers.

These polymers are less prone to shearing, so they are effective for a much longer period of time than the VI improvers used in petroleum oils. In other words, synthetic oils do not quickly lose their ability to maintain viscosity at high temperatures as petroleum oils do.

In fact, some synthetic basestocks are so stable at high temperatures they need NO VI improvers at all. Obviously, these basestocks will maintain their high temperature viscosities for a very long time since there are no VI improvers to break down.

If you want advice or recommendation on the best oil for your car then just ask, I'm happy to help.

Cheers
Guy
 
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jiw

Guest
do you have data sheet's for various oils suitable, a list of oils in order of quality ranging from high quality to lower quality woud be very helpful for those who cannot get the likes of castrol rs 10w60 or miller's 10w60 locally, eg i have to drive a 30 odd mile round trip just to get the recomended oil for my r and iwould imagine other's are in the same boat, cheer's :wink: jeff
 

geetee

Active Member
Oilman has a PhD in oil construction and has left the real world - he only exists in a land where cheap oil is abused for 200k miles and then he examines the sludge to see why it broke down.


My 1990 Toyota Celica has 180K miles on it, does 400miles a week and has the 10W-40 oil dropped every Christmas.

It ain't about the oil.

The Toyota has done 400 miles per week for the last 2 years the R has managed 400 miles in the last 2 years.

It is poo.

Anyone wanna buy an R?

Nissan = Datsun = Recycled aeroplanes = shite

Cheers
GeeTee 8)
 

stevepudney

GTiROC CHAIRMAN
Staff member
GeeTee

Might sound loke a stpid question but.................

If you think Toyotas are so good and don't like R's why do you bother comin on here..........????

Go buy another Toyota and have fun.
 
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